CARL: back now with some of the things that are wrong with america and how to fix them. dylan ratigan is host of "the dylan ratigan" show and author of "greedy bastards," how to stop them from sucking america dry." you talk about the jobs crisis, taxes, banking. are you seeing anything from the primary race on the republican side or from the white house that suggests solutions are coming?

>> i am not seeing it from washington. i don't think we'll see it from washington. what i am seeing and the reason i have been inspired over the past few weeks and certainly the past few months is you are seeing so many communities in america, carl, that are addressing issues in their own way, in their own world.

>> examples?

>> austin, texas. invented a lightbulb that's 90% efficient, made in texas, lasts for 30 years. camden, new jersey, dr. jeffrey brenner figured out only 1% of the people there accounted for 30% of the health care costs. he helped them become healthier. also health care collapsed in the community because the people who are the most sick are being addressed. therefore people who do it with crime, education. san francisco figured out people -- you and i learn at different rates of speed. why should my pressure or your pressure on me affect what we are learning when we can work with youtube lectures and go to a classroom with less pressure. there is a lot of innovative thought in america outside washington.

>> your point is washington will be the last to react.

>> i believe that.

>> meanwhile you are embarking on a 30 million jobs tour. you are taking your show to three college campuses this week -- kentucky, ohio state and university of chicago.

>> the wildcats, buckeyes and the phoenix.

>> why 30 million?

>> the number is derived from the u-6 number. the underemployed, those getting one or two hours a week along with the unemployed. if you look at the people in america that don't have work by that measure it's 30 million people. our goal with this whole tour going back to when we launched it in january is to reframe the conversation around the scale. we need 30 million jobs. i know i can't do it. i would be defiant to anyone who suggested they could. as a result we have to all start oh talk about what are the systems, the flows of money. trade deficit, tax reform, bank reform. things that affect trillions of dollars. you can't have this sort of prosperity that we are this close to. my whole thing is every problem is a job. this is my best example. knicks needed a point guard, jeremy lin got a job.

>> he'll probably keep it, too. you say the debt is no longer the point. it's too big to be managed.

>> yes.

>> you have to focus on economic growth.

>> for me when you look at the overall liabilities, hundreds of trillions in the swaps market. tens of trillions around all sorts of issues we talk about. i can tax rich people and i can talk austerity until i'm blue in the face. if i spent a million dollars a day since jesus christ was born i would not have spent a trillion dollars. it is only going to be debt restructuring and massive growth driven policies that release to the point of the college tour the youthful passion and energy to experiment and find new and more efficient super innovations, things that cost less and give us more. that's the path out. we just have to relax into it and enjoy it.

>> we'll watch on tour this week. dylan ratigan. to read an excerpt of the book head to our website. catch his show weekdays at 4:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. still